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Interesting interpretation about ‘changing’ your Ascendant or Midheaven

I’ve quoted from this book before — Mapping Your Travels and Relocation by Maritha Pottenger & Kris Brandt Riske, MA. The book is one of what I think are a very few sources to be thoughtful enough to discuss changing ascendants or changing midheavens.

In other words, they have two sections in the book — ascendant and midheaven — with subsections for each of the twelve signs and eleven entries for each of the signs that the sign could change to. There’s a possible 132 (12 x 11) combinations for both the ascendant and midheaven. I touched on a few random ones in the article on June 16. (I’ll touch on some more here.)

I’m going to excerpt a bit from the June article, though. As it were:

We could use interpretations like The Round Art to nail down those changes. For example, one of the things pertaining to a Cancer midheaven, per the Round Art, is “thrift”. This is very easy to notice — since I’ve moved here, I’ve been much more conscious about how I spend my money. This is important. Another characteristic is “slow.” I noticed this kind of slowness in my thoughts, actions, and progress through life almost immediately since I got here.

And:

I’m just one example. We all are dealing with our relocation ‘stuff,’ and, if you’ve relocated, you might want to catalog your old characteristics and reflect on how present they still are.

The Round Art is just one interpretation (although a good one). Mapping Your Travels takes a different approach. It could be termed as the ‘synthesis’ of the two locations. But not necessarily the way you think.

It combines the first location with the second location for both their Ascendant or Midheaven characteristics. So under Capricorn, for example, we have ‘Capricorn to Aries,’ ‘Capricorn to Taurus,’ etc. It has all 11 location changes for each of the 12 signs, or a total of 132 possible combinations, for both ascendant and midheaven.

So here’s what I’m going to do. I have three 12-sided dice to work with. One of the dice has each of the ten planets plus the North Node and South Node (if I was going to critique I’d say replace the South Node with Chiron, or the Ascendant, or the Midheaven — and that begs the question, if we wanted to include the major asteroids, would we need an 18-side die? Is that even possible to make?)

One of the dice has the twelve signs.

The final die has numbers 1-12 to designate the houses.

Yes, you can purchase these dice online and they’re beautiful to look at. Have fun with them!

So what I’m going to do is simply role the die with the signs, twice. That way we’ll get randomly generated Ascendants and Midheavens.

I’ll do about half a dozen for each, starting with the Ascendant:

Aquarius to Taurus
A mental focus is grounded in the practical world. You put ideas to work, or earn money from them. Independence and excitement take a back seat to security and comfort, and loyalty and determination are accented. Your task is to maintain the status quo while embracing progress. Partners encourage you to share, and quality time is emphasized. Give priority to relationship issues.

Sagittarius to Pisces
Idealism is intensified, but you may feel torn between a blunt, honest approach and the desire to be kind — to save people’s feelings with “polite lies.” You are likely to seek personal, mystical experiences or look for answers about ultimate meaning. Self-expectations are apt to be high (perhaps too high), and moderation could be a challenge. Mental mastery and a drive for competence are featured in relationships.

Aquarius to Cancer
Your focus on freedom is softened by a desire for emotional connections, but some push/pull is possible between devotion to family versus friends, or nesting activities versus exploring the wider world. You can be innovative in domestic matters, and supportive and nurturing of each family member’s intellectual adventures. Power motifs are strong in relationships; avoid dominating or being dominated. Look for ways in which each person can be strong and in charge of his or her own arena.

Sagittarius to Capricorn
You can achieve more follow-through by adding an element of focus and concentration to your natural confidence. In this location you learn to bring your visions into material form by working in practical, productive ways to manifest your dreams. If the judgmental potential of Capricorn is overdone, you could feel frustrated. Safety is a higher priority in relationships.

Gemini to Scorpio
Increased intensity is likely, and deeper self-analysis is probable as a desire for variety gives way to a determination to see things through and to be thorough. Communication could take on a sarcastic, biting edge, and curiosity about taboo subjects and hidden matters increases. Priorities in relationships shift from escapades, travel, and inspiration to sensual pleasures, comfort and stability.

Pisces to Libra
You have strong aesthetic inclinations in this location and could become more physically attractive. Here, you prefer harmony and ease, and are susceptible to taking the easy way out, as well as being in love with love and overly romantic. You are likely to attract people who know what they want and seem tougher than you are, and you can adopt almost any persona to please people.

Now, on to the Midheaven (which tends to be about career):

Cancer to Taurus
Stability and comfort are priorities in the vocational realm. You will want emotional safety as well as financial security. You may find ways to get more pleasure (or money) from what you do professionally, or you could be drawn to fields involving material possessions, finances, sensual indulgences, the earth, or relaxation and comfort. Domestically, the focus remains pragmatic and detached. Working from or in the home is possible. (Family members could also be a part of your career.) Common sense is accentuated.

Capricorn to Scorpio
You can be a natural leader here, directing events with both clear organizational skills and more subtle cues, maneuvering people emotionally. You have a knack for understanding people’s needs even when they’re not well articulated. Financial skills are probably, business ability is likely, and determination and follow-through are highlighted. You have a good blend of common sense and intuition, and can combine them for optimum results, successfully handling the toughest of tasks. Status is less tied to authority figures (parents) and more to mates and intimate partners. On the home front, the emphasis is on seeking security, comfort, and a relaxed, familiar feeling. Your home should be a have from the driving and striving that is indicated in the workplace.

Scorpio to Pisces
You’re attuned to hidden matters in your work and can sense what people are feeling (but not saying) and identify covert agendas and manipulative moves. You’re also likely to become even more sensitive and empathic about what is going on around you in the workplace. Visualization skills are stronger. High standards are likely, but don’t demand more than is humanly possible (of yourself or others). In the realm of home and family, the focus is on common sense, stability, and pragmatism.

Gemini to Pisces
Setting into one vocational choice is apt to be a challenge. You have multiple talents and high ideals and may yearn for that perfect, “happily ever after career that does not exist. Choose one (or two) fields to pursue even if they’re not as inspirational as you would like. You can excel in healing professions, with beauty or aesthetics, in visualization, or using your communication skill to uplift others or make a better world. You probably can blend logic and intuition well, and flexibility is one of your strengths. Domestically, the emphasis moves from visions and dreams to pragmatism, facing facts, and working hard.

Leo to Libra
Relationships move up on the priority list, and you might work with a partner or in people-oriented fields. You can be quite charming, magnetic, sociable, and attractive, able to both lead and cooperate effectively with a team. Creative and artistic pursuits are favored. On the home front, independence and adventure are highlighted. Family members are apt to go their own way, and you’re likely to be active and eager to try new things.

Leo to Taurus
An increased desire for stability and comfort on the job is likely, and you may look for ways to earn more money, or have a more relaxed work setting. Your natural charisma and dramatic talents remain, but you’re more interested in what is established and reliable. (Risk-taking moves down the priority list.) Your endurance and dedication are excellent. On the home front, strong wills are highlighted. A casual, individualistic focus shifts toward more emotional intensity and a tendency to delve deeply into issues.

That’s it for today.

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Preview to Saturn lines

Following up on the Jupiter lines, Saturn in some ways is Jupiter’s opposite. (Refer to my post about Jupiter lines on October 5.) So we’re going to be really serious today. I’ll repost the information about what each of the lines means:

  • The ascending line is the location on the earth where the planet is rising. (As a corollary, the ascendant is the point on the horizon — northeast, southeast, or anywhere in between — where the sun would be rising at the time of birth). A planetary ascending line is the planet on the cusp of the first house.
  • The descending line is the locaiton on the earth where the planet is setting. (The descendant is the point on the horizon — northwest, southwest, or anywhere in between — where the Sun would be setting at the time of birth). A planetary descending line is the planet on the cusp of the 7th house.
  • The MC lines are where a planet would be at its highest point of the day in the sky, or essentially on the prime meridiem. They will be directly south above the Tropic of Cancer, directly north below the Tropic of Capricorn, or overhead (the possibility for being overhead only exists between the tropics). A planetary midheaven line is the planet on the cusp of the 10th house.
  • The IC lines are where a planet would be at its lowest point of the day underneath the earth. A planetary IC line is the planet on the cusp of the 4th house.

Ascending and descending lines are usually diagonal, especially if they’re near the Gemini-Cancer cusp or the Sagittarius-Capricorn cusp. Midheaven and IC lines are always vertical.

Saturn rules both Capricorn & Aquarius (thus in detriment in Cancer & Leo) and is exalted in Libra (thus in fall in Aries). This, of course, is irrelevant to the study of what happens when you are on or very near a Saturn line.

It should also be said that David Cochrane’s Sirius astrological software includes much, much more than just the four angles. If a planet aspects the Ascendant or Midheaven in any way (noviles, septiles, and quintiles are fair game on the really detailed maps) then that shows up on the map.

I could spend an entire year’s worth of posts discussing various aspects to angles of various planets, but I’m not going to do that. It should be said that he’s developed Treasure Maps (as part of that program) in order to consolidate that information into specific categories — Love & Romance, Friendship & Family, Vocation & Career, Excitement & Instability, and six other categories. Actually, looking at these Treasure Maps might be a good idea for the next post.

To define Saturn, and since most of you reading have some rudimentary knowledge of what it means, I thought it would be interesting how the lack of Saturn manifests with the expression of other planets.

This is from Simon Benjamin’s “Moon in Capricorn: Redeming Saturn in Astrology” e-book.

WORLD without SATURN

For just a moment, let’s pretend Saturn does not exist. Happy? In this section, I go through each planet and show you what would happen if other, so-called benign, planets ruled the world without Saturn.

Note: I am aware that Sun, Moon, and Pluto are not planets, but that’s how they are referred to in astrology.

  • Sun: Sun without Saturn is a big ball of fire that burns everything in sight. Without Saturn’s steely boundaries, the Sun is like an unconstrained forest fire. Everyone has fun for the sake of having fun. Nobody does any work and so civilization eventually crumbles.
  • Moon: Moon without Saturn is a world where nobody leaves the house; people sit on the couch and consume junk foods all day long. Outside, everyone bumps into each other like they are drunk or half-asleep, constantly mumbling passive-aggressive remarks. There is no civility or order.
  • Mercury: Mercury without Saturn is random numbers and words without any shape or form. Have you ever opened a text document and saw nothing but a display of illegible characters and symbols, and gasped? That’s Mercury without Saturn: incoherent communication and an overload of useless information.
  • Venus: Venus without Saturn is a nightmare version of open relationships, where there’s a complete absence of any rules of interaction. No family bonds. No marriage contracts. No respect for elders. Everyone is extremely manipulative; people treat each other as they wish: savagery in relationships.
  • Mars: Mars without Saturn is instant gratification galore. Everyone only concerns themselves with satisfying their immediate impulses, without any regard for future consequences. Basically, it’s a jungle out there and you are lucky if you survive a single day.
  • Jupiter: Jupiter without Saturn is a world where every whimsical idea and belief carries peopel into fanatacism and impracticality. Without structures, individuals are “sacrificed” for nothing but mere visions of an idealistic future.
  • Uranus: Uranus without Saturn is complete, constant, and utter chaos. This is a world where rebellion is for the sake of rebellion. There is nothing steady or reliable. Earthquakes occur every two seconds.
  • Neptune: Neptune without Saturn is a living art project. Nothing is as it seems. Magic, tricks, and illusions abound. Although eveyrthing seems beautiful, one gets an eerie feeling that something sinister lurks behind all that glamour.
  • Pluto: Pluto without Saturn is life on constant survival mode. Everyone is paranoid and can’t seem to relax, ever. Everyone is more real than you’d like, so you are always scared that the person in front of you may bite your arm at any moment.

Moving on to the Astro Map, I’ll post the one for Time Passages (an astrological software program) for someone I know. (Birth data is not revealed). I’ll include the Time Passages interpretations for these lines. I also will cite the entries for Dan Furst’s book “Finding Your Best Places: Using Astrocartography to Navigate Your Life.”

An Astro Map for the whole Earth for a specific person. We’ll zoom in shortly.

Looking for the Saturn on the Ascending line, we zero in here:

Astro Map for the Saturn Ascending line, which is the solid line in brown.

You can see the Saturn ascending line flowing from Russia through Mongolia, through the Gobi Desert in China and then near some major cities in southeast China, then near Southeast Asia, the Phillipines, Indonesia, then then crossing down Australia rather near Melbourne and touching Tasmania.

Here’s the Time Passages interpretation.

With Saturn on the Ascendant in this location, you are likely to take on additional responsibilities when visiting or relocating here. This potentially causes hardship but also engenders significant achievement and long-term reward as a result of hard work. You may learn more about the art of self-reliance during your time here. You could find that you come to wear a new-found sense of responsibility like a well-worn uniform. Your travels to this part of the world bring out a perhaps uncharacteristic sense of reserve in you and a strong, grounded sense of your limits. This might include a graceful capacity of saying “no.” While outer limits can help with your focus, inner limits that might reveal themselves could resolve into subconscious fears that you slowly work through in a step-by-step fashion. You do want to watch that you don’t take yourself too seriously. On the other hand, it behooves you to take advantage of the discipline you can access here and use it to create tangible results for yourself. The lessons of the time that you spend here may only make themselves manifest over the long haul.

Dan Furst writes that

“Saturn lines are above all work lines. They represent serious minded disciplined effort in pursuit of important goals, often under adverse conditions that call forth our grittiest determination. While these lines are never easy, especially in contrast to the blue Venus and Jupiter lines, they may be exactly what is needed for people who have never learned to apply themselves, and they often mark good university locations for people who are about to outgrow the breeze and fluff of high school, and begin to focus on the practical business of preparing for a career, often under the guidance of an older Saturnian mentor.”

Here’s his interpretation of one’s Saturn Ascending line:

Under a Saturn on the Ascendant line, we can project Saturn’s sober, heavy qualities into our outer environments, acquring at best a dignity and gravitas that gain us a reputation as serious characters who can be relied upon to be impeccable with our word, and deliver what we’ve promised. If we take ourselves too seriously, we can become figures of ridicule .. We can also respond to criticism from others by taking on a self-righteous posture of Puritanical self-denial, depriving ourselves of lifes pleasure to gain goals that may seem worthier only to ourselves. Success can come in time, but the price had best be understood.

The Midheaven line for this person is as follows:

The Saturn Midheaven line is the vertical brown line.

This Saturn Midheaven line slices through eastern Alaska, but that’s mostly about it until it reaches Antarctica. It’s too far away from Hawaii to have any influence. It appears to go near or through some islands in the Southern Pacific.

Here’s the Time Passages interpretation:

With Saturn on the Midheaven, you are concerned with hard work and achievement when visiting or residing in this location. You may find personal and romantic goals take a back seat to career ambitions in this part of the world and you are likely to be seen as responsible and reliable. You become highly dedicated to your sense of purpose in service to the greater collective values of society and have the willfulness and the stamina to make results happen. Patience, thoroughness and discipline may become your watchwords. Establishing good boundaries comes naturally. When you do not maintain discipline and stay grounded you might suffer for it, for reality checks abound here. As you learn to trust yourself and your abilities, and as you take the time and make the effort needed to get it right, you gain in admiration from those around you for a job well done. Come to terms with your expectations and create structures and rhythms that support you in reaching your goals, and you may find this place to be the most productive of destinations for you.

Dan Furst’s interpretation is as follows:

This applies especially to the studious, dogged Saturn on the MC line, often thought to be the best of the Saturn lines because it points up to the apex of the professional success and recognition that come from the hard work that the I Ching implies in its famous line, “Perserverence furthers.” This Saturn line focuses to the point of solitude, and applies to figures like the author or scholar working through the night, the monk in his scriptorium. The dangers of the line are easy enough to imagine, for one can adopt an adversarial, ego-bound “I’ll show them” posture rather than a commitment to produce one’s finest, and be refined in the crucible of sacrifice for a spiritual goal.

Here’s the map of the Saturn Descending line:

The Saturn Descending line is the faint brown line running diagonally through South America.

In this case the client’s Saturn line goes through Chile, Bolivia, western Brazil, and the three tiny countries on the northeast portion of South America. It does go through parts of northern Scandinavia, but it’s so close to horizontal at that point (high latitudes) I’m not really sure how influential it is.

Here’s the Time Passages interpretation of the Saturn Descending line:

With Saturn on the Descendant, you may in this locale find yourself considering relationship from the standpoint of authority, discipline and structure. You could develop an essential work connection here or encounter an important and long-term partner, perhaps in the form of a mentor or older person. This can also be a good place to go to get clear about which direction a relationship might be heading. You may feel thrown back upon yourself to provide the answers. Relationships that you create here tend toward the sober, and could serve more practical than romantic ends. Traditional values tend to prevail. At its most challenging, you could find that in this location you attract exacting or bossy people to yourself, or perhaps the opposite: significant others who want you to be more of a parent than a partner. At its best, you create partnership here where you share in responsibility, working with significant others to build a sustainable, productive, and lasting connection.

Dan Furst has it as follows:

The Saturn on the Descendant line is not a pretty sight. Her the emphasis is on relationships, which tend to be long on duty, short on delight, so that here one can carry a heavy load of professional and marital responsibility, and can beccome the complaining martyr who attracts the contempt of others. Job partnerships may involve older colleagues, and one may have an older love partner or spouse. There is a danger here of unequal partnership, in which one carries more than his share of the weight, and feels resentment from being ill-used. We can think of this as the Bitter Parent line, for if often appears in locations where people in late middle age are doing their best to care for elderly parents who give back nothing but abuse. A great line for masochists, and those who believe it is their lot in life to suffer.

Wow. Take heed.

Following is the image for the Saturn IC line on the person’s chart:

The Saturn IC line is the faint dotted line a little bit right of center on the page.

In this case the Saturn IC line goes through western Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, very close to the Sini Peninsula in Egypt, Egypt, Sudan, and down through the eastern side of Africa.

Here’s the Saturn on the Nadir (IC) per Time Passages:

With Saturn at the Nadir, when in this location you will feel an increased sense of responsibility especially around issues of home and family. You could find yourself called to attend to family duties or feel a sense of homeland while here. You could also find that here, your parents play a very central role in your life. On the other hand, you might feel that the time has come to take more responsibility for your own needs. You could encounter limits and boundaries here in a way that will ultimately contribute important lessons. Psychotherapy or other emotional containers could prove helpful. This is a part of the world where the consequences of careless actions will have to be reckoned with. You gain when you act fairly and delegate evenly. If you are a parent, challenges around parenting could arise and eventually serve to catalyze important growth. In any case, while you are here you could find yourself creating supportive structures that secure a healthy emotional life for you and your loved ones.

Here’s Dan Furst:

The Saturn on the Nadir line will usually mark or least happy places, unless we are moved by a compulsion to drive ourselves to the point of exhaustion. Here all our energies are devoted to the practical business of supporting our material life, so that under this Workaholic Line our job can become all-consuming to the exclusion of friendship and love, healthy pleasures, spiritual stillness and everything else, as though here we are in continuous monkey mind, only at a much slower, leaden tempo. We can be burdened here with home and family responsibilities, though it is possible to bear them gracefully, and gain the serenity of a stoic, contemplative life.

So Saturn seems to be particularly difficult on the Nadir (IC) and Descendant lines, and somewhat positive on the Ascending and Midheaven (MC) lines. This is not all that different from Mars, we might wish to question whether Mars is to be considered a ‘malific’ like Saturn. I’m not sure whether that word is even appropriate — malific.

I hope this has been helpful for you.

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The scope and methodologies of relocation astrologers

Every astrologer does things a little bit differently, and, although relocation astrology only is one of several topics of the larger field of astrology, it’s considered differently by different astrologers. I want to discuss some of the different methods relocation astrologers use.

First, though, I thought I’d add some (amusing?) context.

I lived in Pittsburgh, PA for 28 years (1988-2016). Like many metropolises in the country, it’s gentrified and become more socially conscious in terms of the people moving in (the ‘latte’ crowd), although it may be an outlier for the Rust Belt.

The changes have been radical. You could walk down the hill to the Lawrenceville neighborhood in 1995 and it felt like you were going back in time — maybe to the 1950s. It was like, in some sense, a pristine, untouched part of nature not discovered or colonized by ‘humans’. (Lawrenceville was one of several depressed neighborhoods, depressed because the steel industry had mostly packed up and left before I even got there).

Now Lawrenceville is running over with cafe bistros and the city in general has a thriving indie music scene. Many working class people are still there (the ‘yinzers’), many aren’t (which is another long story), and it’s an interesting mix. The city is economically thriving, with Google, driverless cars, top-notch hospitals, and high tech. Not quite San Francisco, but definitely moving in that direction. (The houses are now 100 years old in Lawrenceville and Bloomfield, though, although there’s been a lot of newer development in other neighborhoods).

Regardless of how cool the city is now, Pittsburgh never worked for me. My very first bus trip in 1988 had me completely alienated; I didn’t have the means to drive a car until 2004, more than halfway through my time there; it just seemed mean. I wanted to leave early on, but I never had the means to; for fear of my parents’ (particularly my mother’s) disapproval, I wouldn’t have had the support I needed even if I somehow chose to. Indeed, I didn’t even have full, proper psychiatric support to live a semblance of a normal life until 2010, and I had to fight for even that, although I was stable by about the year 2001.

Because I wanted to move, I somehow had heard about something called astrocartography, or relocation astrology, or something, in 1999, maybe about a year and a half after being introduced to astrology for the first time. I’m not even completely sure birth charts were able to be posted online at that phase, although they might have been. I found somebody who did astrocartography.

I paid for his services, and what I got was one Astro Map, with the ascending and descending lines. I was given a few paragraphs of advice (something about avoiding the intensity of California, there’s a Uranus line there, though he didn’t even let me know that that was the reason why). I paid $90 for the privilege.

That was the state of relocation astrology online in 1999, as far as I can tell. We have come a long way since then.

Anyway, different astrologers do things differently. I was tipped off to a Cosmopolitan article the other night, basically a pop article with an interesting take on the most important planet being Jupiter. I was intrigued by it saying that ‘if you want all the money, put Jupiter in your 2nd house’.

That stuck with me because my 1999 astrocartography reading favored a longitude that included Alaska and Hawaii. Again, I didn’t know why at the time, it wasn’t explained to me; it turns out that my Venus IC line runs between Oahu and Kauai. It was a place I thought I wanted to move to, and I still might — I’ve visited twice. But also, Jupiter is in my 2nd house there. (It’s in my 1st house here in Colorado).

Not every astrologer would agree that Jupiter is the most important planet, and clients have decisions to make.

It’s funny thinking about the amount of specialized knowledge I have in astrology, and the methodologies I use — but just that tidbit from a pop article in a women’s magazine struck me as new knowledge. And the same article tells you to get Saturn out of your 7th house if you want to have a real relationship. My Saturn was born in my 6th house but it’s in my 7th house now — the interpretation I used says:

“If you want to be more sensible about relationships and put more effort into partnerships, Saturn in the relocated seventh house assists your quest.”

I do feel that has happened since I moved here. It is something I wanted, or at least thought I wanted. But it also happens that,

“This is not an advisable placement, however, if you tend to feel blocked from love or less loved than you would like, or are subject to criticism and control from partners or close relatives.”

Now this is very interesting. I won’t get into the nitty gritty of my personal life, but this speaks to me right now.

That Cosmopolitan article is just one pop article. Relocation astrology is trending. I could perhaps go into what different sources say about Saturn in the 7th house, which is like Libra, but that would be just one of many things I could do (it would be one of 144 possible planet/house combinations, if we include Chiron and the North Node). But here is one. And I’ll quote from it, here:

“Libra’s traditional ruler, Saturn, finds a home in the 7th House, though mentors a strict discipline which may involve an overwhelming emptiness and isolation, and a bundle of stress and inner anxieties when it comes to relationships. Love may be hard to find here, but when they find it, Saturn will have sent the zodiac’s most precious gift package.”

It also says:

“There is the indication of marriage to a partner who is considerably older, carries much societal affluence, or one which will occur late in life. The relationship orb for Saturn here denotes their greatest trauma, where partners may be indifferent, uncaring, detached or abusive at its worst.”

This is quite a lot to consider.

Here’s another really good one.

It says a lot, including:

“It can be said this planet makes people wiser when it comes to love. All the natives having Saturn in 7th house are good at mitigating conflicts and know the difference between what’s right and what’s wrong.”

This is one I don’t like as much, as it seems vague and clinical.

This one I like a lot. The worst news here, if you agree with it, is:

“Going deeper, subjects with Saturn in the 7th House may find themselves with a partner who is more like a parent. If this manifests, it can be helpful to look back at your own parent’s relationship to see how this may have impacted upon you.”

We see a preponderence of qualitative information here with these four or five interpretations. Seeing all four gives us a more full understanding, but somebody who saw only one of the interpretations may come away with a very different impression than somebody who saw one of the others.

A lot of astrologers combine an astrocartography map to cover all locations on the earth, and a relocated chart. My approach includes that, and then diverges from other astrologers insofar as I do rely (quite a bit) on interpretations from other sources and try to get at the truth of someone’s existence and perception through thoughtful use of these interpretations.

I might read one of these interpretations and say, “Does that land for you?” It makes sense for an astrologer to have counseling skills in order to do this. For those of us who have learned counseling skills it makes sense to review them. Saying something like, “I wonder if…” followed by our own observation allows us to admit on some level that no one of us is always right. It generates a lot of goodwill, too.

It may be slightly less applicable to relocation astrology because we’re evaluating locations that the client may have spent a very little of their time there and are trying to make a decision as whether to stay a much longer period of time or even move there. They’re in the dark. If they have spent, say, two weeks there, it’s a great idea to ask “What was it like for you?” and then follow up questions as necessary.

Did this land for you?

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Interpretations of the Moon

Many ancient astrological cultured prioritized the Moon over the Sun. Many of the 20th century astrologers, especially the American pop astrologers (who might not be called true astrologers) made their focus the Sun. For (I’m guessing) 80% of Americans, their sun sign is the only thing they know. That has changed a lot in the last 20 years, and more people know what moon signs are about — and more people know their own moon sign.

It is said — by David Cochrane, if I recall — that Linda Goodman was the original impetus for putting modern astrology into the popular lexicon and coming up with the first modern understanding of astrological signs and what they meant. Because before Linda Goodman, astrologers defined signs very differently, almost unrecognizably.

But Linda Goodman didn’t focus that much on the Moon, either.

“The Only Astrology Book You’ll Ever Need” (Joanna Martine Woolfolk) is not the only astrology book you need (not even close) but it is overall a worthwhile book especially for its interpretations of Moon signs, which are top-notch.

There’s a three page description of what the Moon is, and then two pages for each moon sign. These are among the most 27 important pages you’ll ever read. Before I get into that, I want to get into David Cochrane’s understanding of what the moon means, which is as follows:

“The Sun and Moon regulate our relationships to time … The Moon reflects the past into the present. The Moon gives memory, soul, habits, instincts, moods, and connection to ancestry and past lives.”

Modern western society, especially in the U.S., didn’t value these themes. To a degree we still don’t.

In any case, people who are thinking of whether they want to be in a relationship with somebody else, would do well to compare Moon signs or even evaluate somebody based on their Moon sign. For me, personally, I’ve been in a relationship with an Aquarius Moon, and don’t want to do that again. I would also probably have issues to varying degrees with Gemini Moon, Leo Moon, and Scorpio Moon, based on both my experience and different descriptors I’ve learned — descriptors for each sign I’m going to list below, first from Woolfolk, then from other sources.

Keep in mind that the descriptors are important, but it’s best to read the two pages after it.

Aries Moon
Positive: You are more energetic, enterprising, optimistic, open to change, idealistic.
Negative: You are more impulsive, opinionated, domineering, impatient, vain.

Taurus Moon
Positive: You are more trustworthy, determined, warm, affectionate, artistic.
Negative: You are more obstinate, possessive, rigid, overcautious, a slave to routine.

Gemini Moon
Positive: You are more versatile, witty, charming, lively, amusing.
Negative: You are more disorganized, inconsistent, superficial, cunning, manipulative.

Cancer Moon
Positive: You are more imaginative, sympathetic, protective, tenacious, loyal.
Negative: You are more possessive, moody, critical, self-pitying, a nag.

Leo Moon
Positive: You are more exuberant, creative, broad-minded, colorful, fun-loving.
Negative: You are more self-indulgent, self-centered, conceited, overbearing, bullying.

Virgo Moon
Positive: You are more intellectual, meticulous, industrious, steadfast, responsible.
Negative: You are more critical, high-strung, standoffish, argumentative, hypochondriac.

Libra Moon
Positive: You are more adaptable, creative, charming, good-natured, diplomatic.
Negative: You are more indecisive, self-indulgent, dependent, frivolous, changeable.

Scorpio Moon
Positive: You are more imaginative, determined, ambitious, emotional, idealistic.
Negative: You are more obstinate, secretive, jealous, resentful, domineering.

Sagittarius Moon
Positive: You are more adventurous, optimistic, exuberant, open-minded, sincere.
Negative: You are more restless, extravagant, irresponsible, careless, uncommitted.

Capricorn Moon
Positive: You are more determined, responsible, disciplined, patient, committed.
Negative: You are more rigid, pessimistic, opinionated, materialistic, overexacting.

Aquarius Moon
Positive: You are more idealistic, creative, tolerant, a humanitarian with a progressive outlook.
Negative: You are more unpredictable, contrary, aloof, fixed in opinion, tactless.

Pisces Moon
Positive: You are more compassionate, sensitive, loving, creative, loyal.
Negative: You are more indecisive, discontented, vague, secretive, easily confused.

(All from The Only Astrology Book You’ll Ever Need, by Joanna Martine Woolfolk).

I also like The Round Art for interpretations, and I don’t think I’ve posted it here before. The Round Art is by A.T. Mann. The descriptors are, shall we say, unique.

Aries Moon:
will influences feeling, strong personality, lust for power, travel; impulsive, restless, primal, passionate, energetic, rebellious, independent, anarchistic.

Taurus Moon:
constancy, deep emotions, acquisitiveness, strong maternal image, appreciation of beauty, firmness; cautious, affectionate, melancholic, easily injured, tranquil, stable, loving.
(Moon is exalted in Taurus).

Gemini Moon:
manifold expressions of feeling, multiple relationships, moibile, multifaceted, superficial loves; moody, inconstant, restless, nervous, manic-depressive, flirtatious, contradictory.

Cancer Moon:
emotional strength, depth of feeling, attachment, devotion, affection, motherliness, the Unconscious; domestic, impressionable, hyper-sensitive, despondent, discreet, poetic, agreeable.
(Moon is in rulership in Cancer).

Leo Moon:
instinctive or intuitive creativity, love of grandeur, self-aggrandizement; confident, generous, passionate, sociable, luxurious, hedonistic, magnanimous, warm-hearted, lively, popular, responsible.

Virgo Moon:
head rules heart, simplicity, correct behavior, coldness, prudery, hypochondria, reserve; articulate, practical, methodical, pedantic, anxious, hyper-sensitive, undemonstrative.

Libra Moon:
vivid expression of feelings, need for love, dependent on partner, seeks pleasure and amusement; affectionate, romantic, courteous, kind, refined, luxury-loving, vague, silly, unreliable.

Scorpio Moon:
self-destruction, conflict with mother, death wish, extremes of self-control and liscentiousness, intense emotions, jealousy; passionate, one-sided, obstinate, vicious, possessive.
(Moon is in fall in Scorpio).

Sagittarius Moon:
vivid inner life, striving for wisdom, voyages, manic-depression; changeable, inconstant, imaginative, jovial, frank, free, restless, quick, kind-hearted, sociable.

Capricorn Moon:
emotional repression, lack of gratification, patience, responsibilities, professional concerns, depression; reticent, undemonstrative, loyal, possessive, practical, cautious, reserved, steadfast, inhibited.
(Moon is in detriment in Capricorn).

Aquarius Moon:
wealth of ideas, concern for others, abundant hopes and wishes, dislike of solitude, many friends, generous spirit, sympathetic to new methods; civilized, humane, political, superficial, indiscriminate, inane.

Pisces Moon:
yielding, surrender, feelings of inferiority, hyper-sensitivity, addiction, loneliness, danger of exploitation, attraction to the mysterious and occult; seducible, sentimental, self-doubting, dreamy, moody.

This is all from A.T. Mann’s The Round Art.

Because I am only posting descriptors of the Moon signs from two sources (in part because it would be hard to pick and choose from the pages for each Moon sign in The Only Astrology Book You’ll Ever Need), I’m going to rely on Kevin B. Burk’s Understanding the Birth Chart for the rest.

He describes the Moon as:
“represents our unconscious, receptive, responsive, emotional side. The Moon is the container that gives form to the Sun’s energy and expression.”

Later on in his book he delineates each of the planets in each of the element groups — in the case of the Moon, he discusses them in the order of Water, Earth, Fire, and Air. This is a well-organized discussion. In his Moon in Water Signs, he says:

“Being of such a fundamentally emotional nature, the Moon is naturally associated with the element of water; and at least in Cancer, the Moon is at its most powerful. But Cancer is, in fact, the only water sign where the Mon has any dignity at all.”

He then gives roughly half-page descriptions in the order of Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces.

Moving on to Earth signs, he underscores:

“The Moon is the noctural triplicity ruler of the element of earth. In a night chart, the energy of the earth signs provides a necessary and welcome source of structure and groiunding, helping to focus and balance the Moon’s fundamental changeable and emotional nature. In a day chart, however, the overly practical nature of th earth signs takes precedence, and the Moon can find it difficult to express itself at all.”

He then discusses Taurus, Virgo, and Capricorn. Notably, if you have a Capricorn moon and were born at night, as I was, the Moon is both dignified by triplicity, and debilitated by detriment.

For the Moon in Fire signs, he explains:

“The moon is peregrine in all fire signs except from 11 to 20 degrees of Sagittarius, where it has dignity only by face. Fire signs are too one-pointed in nature, and too focused on only a limited range of emotions, to allow the Moon the freedom to experience its entire emotional repertoire.”

He discusses Aries, Leo, and Sagittarius. Finally, for the Air signs,

“As with the fire signs, the Moon is not very comfortable in air signs and is peregrine in air signs except from 1 to 10 degrees of Libra and 21 to 30 degrees of Aquarius, wherre it has dignity only by face.”

He discusses Gemini, Libra, and Aquarius. He considers a planet can be dignified by term or face, which, actually, was not covered in my Vibrational Astrology program, but this at least tells you where the term and fall degrees are. And Kevin Burk defines all the dignities and debilitants, including term and face, in his book on pages 80-86. His book is called Astrology: A Comprehensive Guide to Classical Interpratation, and he focuses on the birth chart in this book.

That’ll be it for the Moon today. I’m tempted to write about another personology source by Gary Goldschneider that I just unearthed. Maybe this Friday.

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Power

The book that I’m citing for the purposes of this article has no astrology in it. It was, however, co-written by Joost Elffers, the co-author, illustrator, and producer of the Secret Language series (Birthdays, Relationships, Destiny, Luck, etc.) and that in it of itself piqued my interest when I decided to pick it up when it was published in 1998.

This book was one of the major reasons I had a relapse in my mental health going into 1999 that required a psychiatric hospitalization that lasted for exactly one month in the middle of that year, and a long recovery that took almost a year and would not have stabilized at all without my good fortune to end up in the experimental group in a research and treatment study using a therapy called Cognitive Enhancement Therapy.

The reading of the book also happened at the same time that Pluto transited my natal Venus. As the author John Sandbach noted,

“The Moon crosses your Venus every 28 days, but if Pluto ever does it, it will be ONCE IN A LIFETIME , and believe me YOU WILL FEEL IT.”

I would argue that book was a manifestation of Pluto crossing my natal Venus. But I digress.

I wanted to discuss the power of this book. After being conditioned to accept it, I felt free to use it in the service of self-protection and self-development, important because I was under the care of mental health clinicians (including, especially, psychiatrists) who literally had no clue what my best interests were, because they were stuck in their own clinical dogma and had absolutely no insight about the book that was, to me, more important than anything they had ever read: Peter Kramer’s Listening to Prozac.

So I decided to use many of the laws in my daily life, wherever appropriate, and refered to the book a great deal — from

  • Law 1: Never Outshine the Master, to
  • Law 6: Court Attention At All Cost, to
  • Law 9: Win Through Your Actions, Never Through Argument, to
  • Law 19: Know Who You’re Dealing With — Do Not Offend the Wrong Person, to
  • Law 26: Keep Your Hands Clean, to
  • Law 35: Master the Art of Timing, to
  • Law 40: Despise the Free Lunch, to
  • Law 48: Assume Formlessness.

I want to start with Law 9. It’s a law that I don’t follow all the time (bad habit of getting into ideological arguments with people), but when I do follow it, it works wonders. The authors tell the story:

A heckler once interrupted Nikita Khrushchev in the middle of a speech in which he was denouncing the crimes of Stalin. “You were a colleague of Stalin’s,” the heckler yelled, “why didn’t you stop him then?” Khrushchev apparently could not see the heckler and barked out, “Who said that?” No hand went up. No one moved a muscle. After a few seconds of tense silence, Khrushchev finally said in a quiet voice, “Now you know why I didn’t stop him.” Instead of just arguing that anyone facing Stalin was afraid, knowing that the slightest sign of rebellion would mean certain death, he had made them feel what it was like to face Stalin — had made them feel the paranoia, the fear of speaking up, the terror of confrunting the leader, in this case Khrushchev. The demonstration was visceral and no more argument was necessary.

If it wasn’t clear before, I was not interested in power for any purpose other than empowerment. The authors (who included Robert Greene), still, drew on philosophers like Machiavelli to flesh out 48 laws. I like Law 23, Concentrate Your Forces:

Conserve your forces and energies by keeping them concentrated at their strongest point. You gain more by finding a rich mine and mining it deeper, than by flitting from one shallow mine to another — intensity defeats extensity every time. When looking for sources of power to elevate you, find the one key patron, the fat clow who will give you milk for a long time to come.

That was stated very bluntly, but the law can be used in a myriad of ways, including how many different projects you should take on at one time (they imply, the answer is one). They do, however, note that an exception should be made for things like guerilla warfare, where it is best to disperse one’s energies. Still, in terms of the lifestyle of guerilla warfare (I have read parts of Che Guevara’s book) people were expected to take one role and stick to it in the service of unity and effectiveness.

It’s important, also, to recognize when someone is exercising power in a certain way, so I present Law #12, “Use selective honesty and generosity to disarm your victim”:

One sincere and honest move will cover over dozens of dishonest ones. Open-hearted gestures of honesty and generosity bring down the guard of even the most suspicious people. Once your selective honesty opens a hole in their armor, you can deceive and manipulate them at will. A timely gift — a Trojan horse — will serve the same purpose.

This is the very definition of what Donald Trump is doing. What is notable is that — knock on wood — a majority of Americans either see through it, or have decided that his actions are more important.

Each ofthe laws has on average eight pages devoted to it, so focusing on the headline of the law isn’t exactly fair to the work, but it does tell us a lot on its own. Law 16, “Use Absence to Increase Respect and Power,” goes:

Too much circulation makes the price go down: the more you are seen and heard from, the more common you appear. If you are already established in a group, temporary withdrawal from it will make you more talked about, even more admired. You must learn when to leave. Create value through scarcity.

This chapter goes into an interesting digression of Sir Guillaume de Balaun, who I had never heard of, as a courtier in the south of France during the Middle Ages, and a story from even earlier, the B.C.E. Human nature, depending on our limbic system, has not changed that much over the succeeding centuries. At the end he notes that the law only applies once a certain level of power has been attained. Leave too early and you do not increase your respect, you are simply forgotten.

Elffers and Greene also produced the book “The 33 Principles of War,” and, “The Art of Seduction,” the latter of which is too complex and difficult for me to fully implement in my life, as I’ve admitted to potential lovers. Seduction, especially, is a book that is “naughty” on some level, I would say.

It is my hope that the vast majority reading this are ethical and want to use each of these 48 laws of power to not only improve their odds of success but use them, ultimately, to leave the world a little better than they found it.

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Jupiter lines

Please refer to my April 11 post about Jupiter’s influence in each of the 12 houses. When I cover a planet, I do so two ways — first, I cover each of the 12 houses; second, I cover the planetary lines. I don’t usually do both in the same post, as there’s a lot of verbiage to unpack (the article would easily be well over 2000 words).

Today I’ll cover the different Jupiter lines — the ascending, the IC, the descendant, and the MC (midheaven). To review:

  • The ascending line is the location on the earth where the planet is rising. (As a corollary, the ascendant is the point on the horizon — northeast, southeast, or anywhere in between — where the sun would be rising at the time of birth). A planetary ascending line is the planet on the cusp of the first house.
  • The descending line is the locaiton on the earth where the planet is setting. (The descendant is the point on the horizon — northwest, southwest, or anywhere in between — where the Sun would be setting at the time of birth). A planetary descending line is the planet on the cusp of the 7th house.
  • The MC lines are where a planet would be at its highest point of the day in the sky, or essentially on the prime meridiem. They will be directly south above the Tropic of Cancer, directly north below the Tropic of Capricorn, or overhead (the possibility for being overhead only exists between the tropics). A planetary midheaven line is the planet on the cusp of the 10th house.
  • The IC lines are where a planet would be at its lowest point of the day underneath the earth. A planetary IC line is the planet on the cusp of the 4th house.

Ascending and descending lines are usually diagonal, especially if they’re near the Gemini-Cancer cusp or the Sagittarius-Capricorn cusp. Midheaven and IC lines are always vertical.

Jupiter is considered by many astrologers to be the ‘great benefic’ — the planet of good luck, fortune, expansion. Other astrologers are more neutral and many astrologers would also acknowledge that Jupiter can also correspond with excess — for example, someone with Jupiter in their first house would have more of a propensity to gain weight.

I’ll be covering what influences you should expect if you are on or very close to one of the Jupiter lines. Different astrologers have different interpretations as to what constitutes a strong influence — I would tend to conclude that being within 20 or 30 miles (less than half a degree) of a line is very strong, but there’s still influence up to 100 or more miles (about a degree and a half). But there are astrologers who consider up to 300 miles (5 degrees), or even more. Needless to say, the orbs are everything.

I typically use interpretations from Time Passages, one of the better astrological software packages, as well as Dan Furst in his book Finding Your Best Places, a 2015 book from

Here’s Jupiter on the Ascendant.

The Jupiter ascending line is the red line stuck next to the Mercury descending line, a yellow line. This client has Jupiter opposite Mercury in their chart with a 12 minute orb.

In this client’s map, we can see the Jupiter ascending line travel southwest through eastern Europe, coming near Warsaw, Poland, through Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia, near Sarajevo, Yugoslavia, and eastern Italy, through the Mediterranean, and near Benghazi, Libya, and south through central Africa.

The Time Passages interpretation goes as follows:
With Jupiter on the Ascendant, no matter how crowded this place may be, you will experience a great sense of expansion here. In this location, you are likely to have abundant energy and good luck with the material side of life. This place may also bring out your love of the outdoors, along with the freedom and independence to just be yourself. You could be inspired to take the good energy you feel here and throw a party, create an adventure or throw yourself whole heartedly into the quest for higher knowledge. You experience yourself as a confident, optimistic and generous person while visiting or residing in this part of the world. You may also enjoy fulfilling your appetites, but you benefit when you take the time to rest and reflect as well. Although your expanded sense of self in this location is wonderful, you may want to temper it with a healthy sense of groundedness and limitation. In other words, faith in yourself is entirely positive so long as you don’t get lost in ego.

Dan Furst has it as follows:
A Jupiter on the Ascendant line is even more likely than the MC line to make us so ebullient and confident that we exert an irresistable charismatic appeal to others. We may embody the hope for a better life than can lead others to invest us with the spiritual power of a God-touched faith healer leading a train of enthusiastic devotees. We can gain such professional success and prosperity, and display such largesse, that we become like Lorenzo the Magnificent looking for some Botticellis to patronize, so the risks of attracting sycophants, and getting carried away with the huge importance others see in us, can bring some hard lessons in humility.

Here’s Jupiter on the Midheaven.

The Jupiter Midheaven line is a solid line (as MC lines are) stuck to the Mercury IC line, a dashed yellow line. This client has Jupiter opposite Mercury in their chart with a 12 minute orb.

This client has the Jupiter Midheaven line cutting southward through central Mongolia and central China, not really near any population centers although there are some cities in southern China it goes close to; then, through southeast Asia, including Malaysia, Singapore, and Indonesia, before going through the Indian Ocean, hundreds of miles west of western Australia.

Per Time Passages:
With Jupiter on the Midheaven, this is a great place for you to succeed in your endeavors on the public stage. In this locale, business success will follow you wherever you put your energies. Your social goals are expansive and the results of your vision are likely to be returned to you on the same grand scale. In this locale also, you might meet up with influential people who will help you on your way. The sky is literally the limit for you here; in fact, the lack of perceived limits might be the only drawback. In this part of the world you must beware of even too much optimism, of the tendency to have such belief in yourself that you take what could turn out to be foolish risks. If you keep a dose of healthy pessimism handy when you visit or reside in this place, you can indeed work wonders here and set your world on fire.

Dan Furst says:
A Jupiter on the MC line points up to the professional and spiritual sphere, this is where we are apt to rise in business and social status, to achieve public office and a position of leadership in medicine, music and religion, even to attract devoted and zealous fans and followers. This line’s values are conventionally religious rather than spiritual, and we are more likely here to become a pillar of the establishment and an exemplar of bbourgeois morality than to rock anyone’s boat, so the corrupting temptations of money and power, and the pursuit of pleasure, can come to outweigh the altruistic motives that first led us into the public arena.

This client’s Jupiter Descending line is not really a good picture, to wit:

The Jupiter descending line is the red line stuck next to the Mercury ascending line, a bright yellow line. This client has Jupiter opposite Mercury in their chart with a 12 minute orb.

Suffice it to say it runs south from Russia through the Bering Strait, and mostly southward through the Pacific Ocean to Antarctica withough hitting any land, although it goes perhaps within 1000 miles west of the Hawaiian islands, although the Mars Ascending line is closer.

Per Time Passages:
Jupiter on the Descendant makes this place one of the best in the world for you to meet others! You may find you connect easily with people, young and old, rich and poor, foreign and domestic. Relationships in this location tend to expand your horizons while offering you generous amounts of good will, intelligence and cheer. The folks you meet here tend make a deep impression on you that will last long after you leave. They may perhaps launch you into world travels, introduce you to new schools of thought, or join you in a spiritual quest. In its most challenging aspect you may find yourself in relationship with people here who take up a lot of space, who live life to excess, or who act in arrogant or dogmatic ways. At its best, you experience a lot of joy, ease and celebration with your partners here, aligned in a shared quest for knowledge, inspiration and adventure.

Per Dan Furst:
A Jupiter on the Descendant line means professional, financial, and social connections, so that here we may excel in business, sales and the practice of law or medicine, and gain high prestige in professional associations. Our chances of “marrying well” are high under this line, and we may attract help from powerful allies who seem miraculously to appear whenever needed. As Jim Lewis notes, “this is one of the most fortunate areas possible, one in which forces beyond your control seem determined that you are to have an easy time of it.” Jupiter’s special status as the “happy, lucky planet” may be more evident here than anywhere else, so that even when we blunder, we land on our feet not just like a cat, but a very sleek, smooth, and well-heeled cat.

Jupiter on the IC/nadir:

The Jupiter IC line is toward the right of the image. It is a red dashed line (as IC lines are) partially obscured by the Mercury midheaven line, a bright yellow line. This client has Jupiter opposite Mercury in their chart with a 12 minute orb.

You can see the Jupiter IC line going, from north to south, through Ontario, Western Pennsylvania, central Virginia and North Carolina, near Miami and through Cuba, a part of Central America and Ecuador.

Per Time Passsages:
With Jupiter at the Nadir, when in this location you will be especially tuned in regarding issues of home and family, and your core process. This applies at the physical as well as the figurative level, and you might do very well here with real estate investment or discover the joys of home decorating. You will likely feel a spiritual connection with family and tribe while in this place. People that you meet here are helpful aids in becoming better acquainted with the internal dynamics of your family and also in getting to know yourself at a deep level in ways that you had perhaps never previously explored. Your home is likely to become a source of inspiration, with many visitors and lively discussion, or perhaps a treasure trove of wisdom in your library. When in domicile in this locale, as well as being expansive you are perhaps more than a little restless, so that you could leave your home as much as you reside there, or bring the world back with you when you return. In any case, you will find abundant joy here in your abode.

Dan Furst has it this way:
Jupiter on the Nadir is the most prosperous line in the map, and marks the place where we are most likely to gain a life that is solidly and richly rooted in material wealth and substantial, even ostantatious, possessions. We are apt to retire in status and comfort here, to enjoy a fine home and, as landlords, to gain from building and managing homes for others. We are apt here to put down roots, start a family and continue established patriotic and religious traditions, or start new traditions of our own. We may become noted for our generosity as donors to charity and patrons of the arts, sharing our bounty not only with those closest to us, but with those whom we assist through funding and education to create a better life for ourselves.

And that’s it. Not everyone has the opportunity to live near one of these lines, and, noting our restrictions (such as, most people are not comfortable leaving their country), we might only have the opportunity to leave near one of our Jupiter lines. I live about 300 miles or 5 1/2 degrees from my Jupiter ascending line, so I have a weak influence; you may or may not wish to prioritize a Jupiter line if you have a more favorable Venus, Sun, or Mercury line that works well for you. We do the best we can with what we have.

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Quintiles

There are many types of aspects that two planets can make with each other, the ascendant or midheaven, the North Node, the vertex, etc., and the most common ones include:

  • Conjunctions (0 degrees apart)
  • Oppositions (180 degrees apart)
  • Trines (120 degrees apart)
  • Sextiles (60 degrees apart)
  • Squares (90 degrees apart)
  • Semi-sextiles (30 degrees apart)
  • Inconjuncts or quincunxes (150 degrees apart)

Also semisquares (45 degrees) or sesquiquadrate (135 degrees) are somewhere close to the ‘major’ category.

A lot has been written about how these aspects manifest in one’s chart, what they mean differently. A lot of popular astrology will tell you that conjunctions, trines, and sextiles are favorable while squares and oppositions are ‘challenging’ — and then semisextiles are also favorable and semisquares and sesquiquadrates are somewhat challenging, too. The different challenging aspects are different from each other

And on and on. It is the basis for a lot of popular astrology, which you probably know about and which I won’t get into here, but a lot of this has been called into question by various sources.

For one thing, the Round Art (A.T. Mann) discusses the challenge of having what is known as a “Grand Cross.” That’s four planets forming four squares and two oppositions. Each 90 degrees a planet is stationed. A.T. Mann discusses how some of our most powerful and/or remarkable public figures have the Grand Cross and once the challenge is met, that’s where greatness occurs. It’s a kind of psychological integration that makes for the greatness, or so he says (I buy it). He has a section in his book that does astrological charts for 48 public figures in history and many of the greatest have such an aspect.

It’s hard to wrap our heads around greatness like that if we don’t have a Grand Cross in our own charts (or, theoretically, if we do but we decided not to meet the challenge).

Then there are the more minor aspects — quintiles, septiles, noviles, and so forth. There is an entire branch of astrology called harmonic astrology that goes into every possible division of the circle, and David Cochrane popularized it when he did the decades of research and pioneered Vibrational astrology, which is, in some sense, harmonic astrology. (Full disclosure: I just graduated from his program).

A quintile is two planets that are 72 degrees apart (1/5 of the circle). A biquintile is two planets that are 144 degrees apart (2/5 of the circle). Multiple these numbers by 5, and you get 360, or 720 (both of which reduce to zero).

A novile, binovile, or quadnovile are two planets that are 40, 80, or 160 degrees apart (1/9, 2/9, or 4/9 of the circle apart). These are still whole numbers, so it’s all good, right? But a septile aspect would include 1/7, 2/7, 3/7 or 4/7 of the circle, and these do not work out to whole numbers.

Neither do harmonics 11 or 13, 17 or 19. And then we might want to accept the possibility that 360 is an arbitrary number to describe a circle; why, thirty centuries ago, wasn’t the circle decided on 169 degrees? Or whatever.

Every single one of the types of harmonics I mentioned, and many more, carry different types of themes. I won’t go too much into the themes, except that 9th has to do with how one integrates with one’s community, including the themes of relationship and marriage, 17 has to do with empathy and interest in others’ stories, and so on. According to David Cochrane’s Vibrational astrology system. And other astrologers may have slightly different ideas than Cochrane came up with, though it’s doubtful they did the preponderance of research that he did.

And then we have the quintiles. I am lucky enough to have a quintile pattern in my chart that takes up the whole chart wheel, including Venus, Saturn, and Pluto. My Venus and Pluto are roughly 72 degrees from each other, and both planets are roughly 144 degrees from my Saturn. The orbs aren’t super-tight; the largest one is 2 degrees and the other two add up to 2 degrees.

In my chart relocated to Denver, CO, I have a quintile pattern involving my relocated Midheaven, Uranus, and Sun. My midheaven is about 144 degres from my Sun, with Uranus roughly halfway in between.

Just as in any other aspect, quintile patterns involving three planets are more powerful than quintiles involving only two planets.

Quintiles have to do with creative gifts and talents. They can also have to do with how someone plays. Somebody with quintiles in certain planetary patterns has unique creative gifts with those planetary themes. Quintiles are considered to be a positive aspect, and Venus/Saturn/Pluto includes the following, per A.T. Mann’s Round Art:

  • Venus/Saturn: sense of duty, devotion, economy, fidelity, self-control, older partners, sacrifices for others; loyal, sober, reserved, respectable, unspontaneous, inhibited, straight-laced.
  • Venus/Pluto: creative power, fanatic devotion to an artistic cause, special artistic gifts, sexuality; dramatic, unconventional, intense, talented, fascinating, magnetic.
  • Saturn/Pluto: success in difficult undertakings, fanatic workers, hard struggles, great sacrifices, work in seclusion, research, record achievements; compulsive, indefatigable, painstaking, thorough, self-disciplined.

This is just one quintile pattern. If you have quintile patterns involving three random planets that I pick out, you might get:

  • Moon/Mercury: lucidity, good judgment, competence, mental balance, good humour; sane, optimistic, adaptable, fluid, reasonable, intelligent, productive, sympathetic, articulate.
  • Moon/Jupiter: happiness, understanding others, generosity, tolerance, good humour, easy and fortunate contacts, social conscience, popularity, material advantages, foreign contacts, good mother; kind, obliging.
  • Mercury/Jupiter: balanced mentality, sense of humour, business success, constructive mind, common sense, good speaker and writer, optimism, erudition; literary, scientific, positive, evolved, cultured, kindly, temperate.

Keep in mind that with quintiles these verbal patterns activate in a creative context. Cochrane remarked to me very early on that people with a lot of quintile patterns tend to hate drudgery, so they have to come up with more innovative or clever ways to make money.

I’ll include some other articles about quintiles: here, here, and here.

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The Generational Planets II : Neptune

Please refer to my May 12, 2020 post about Pluto for more background.

It was suggested to me by an astrological colleague that I might want to publish more about the generational planets once I shared my insight with him, particularly about Neptune and Pluto.

As I noted back in May, demographers in the U.S. have defined the generations in a certain way. Usually when I think of Generation X, I push things back a bit, and cover the Pluto in Virgo generation. That’s 1956-1972, for the most part. But that can also cover the Neptune in Scorpio generation, overlapping quite well with the Pluto in Virgo generation, as it covers 1956-1970.

The major difference between Neptune and Pluto in terms of timing is that Neptune uniformly covers about 14 years per sign. Whereas, Pluto covers anywhere from 11 to 31 years with its highly elliptical orbit. Most of the Pluto ‘generations’ in the 19th century lasted very close to those full 31 years. Pluto was closest to the Sun when it was in Scorpio, and spent the least amount of time there.

Neptune is uniformly 14 years, generally. In most cases, Neptune, when it enters a new sign, will regress back into the old sign, for as many as three consecutive years, before landing in the new sign for good. With that in mind, here are the most recent planets and what I would describe them as:

  • Neptune in Leo (1914/1916 to 1928/1929) — the Silent Generation
  • Neptune in Virgo (1928/1929 to 1942/1943) — ?
  • Neptune in Libra (1942/1943 to 1955/1957) — the Boomers
  • Neptune in Scorpio (1955/1957 to 1970) — Generation X
  • Neptune in Sagittarius (1970 to 1984) — Gen X/Millenials
  • Neptune in Capricorn (1984 to 1998) — Millenials
  • Neptune in Aquarius (1998 to 2011/2012) — Generation Z
  • Neptune in Pisces (2011/2012 to 2025/2026) — ?

My late parents were in the Neptune in Leo (dad) and the Neptune in Virgo (mother) generations. And I’m Neptune in Scorpio (but barely — my Neptune actually progressed into Sagittarius when I was about 25). I would say that the generations I know the most are Libra, Scorpio, and Sagittarius. I’ll focus more on those.

I’ve been mostly posting secondary information in many of my posts. A great book for any introductory student to digest, as you’ll learn a lot from it, is The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Astrology (second edition, 2000, Amaranth, chiefly written by Madeline Gerwick-Brodeur and Lisa Lenard). It will even teach astrologers with more experience, and of course it’s a great reference book. I’m also going to use the Round Art of Astrology (A.T. Mann).

I want to in particular highlight the difference between Neptune in Libra — which is somewhat correlated with the Pluto in Leo — and try to highlight distinctions between Neptune in Libra and Neptune in Scorpio. I do this because I’ve noticed something.

Boomers have their act together to such a degree that they simply do not understand those of us coping with Neptune in Scorpio. I was in a focus group with about twenty other people of various generations. In many cases, the Neptune in Libra people looked younger than the Neptune in Scorpio people, even though we’re ten to twenty years younger than the Boomers were.

If anything, I want to evoke compassion from the Boomers to our generation — make them know not only the unique gifts that we have, but also why we can’t do the things they were able to do.

For Neptune in Libra:
“Neptune in romantic Libra emphasizes both idealism and love, and this generation is interested in new ways of looking at relationships and laws. This is the generation that confronted sexual equality, marched for peace, experimented with LSD, and cares deeply about injustice throughout the world. Sometimes this Neptune’s intentions can have unfortunate results: the Neptune in Libra period saw the end of World War II — and then the beginning of the Cold War. Neptune in Libra was also when marriages were subject to uncertainty (war time made this difficult) and disillusionment. This period is when the divorce rate began increasing, too. Still, Neptune in Libra is idealistically inspired.

For Neptune in Scorpio:
Neptune in Scorpio can be self-destructive — and potently powerful. The purpose of Neptune in Scorpio is to encourage spiritual regeneration. But since most people didn’t follow this path during this most recent transit, it degenerated into exploiting sex for commercial purposes. The birth-control pill dissolved fears of getting pregnant, but this, in turn, led to a higher incidence of venereal diseases. This is also the generation of the drug culture and rock music, and advances in civil rights, which were connected to dissolving the established power bases. Neptune in Scorpio natives have an enormous capacity for renewal, especially spiritually, and there also can be an extraordinary capacity for psychic awareness or an interest in the occult. This period saw the beginnings of tremendous change in every facet of life; after all, Neptune in Scorpio is intensely inspired.

The Round Art descriptions are also very illuminating.

Neptune in Libra:
receptivity, refined feelings, easily attracted, platonic love, romanticism, love disappointments, odd relation of self to public; idealistic, dreamy, tender, poetic, seducible sympathetic, sweet.

People born for well over a decade in most of the 1940s and the first half of the 1950s had both Neptune in Libra AND Pluto in Leo! What a combination. Refer to my May 12 post for more information. And then read below.

Neptune in Scorpio:
subconscious forces, keen senses, metaphysics, wrong-doing, soul-sickness, depression, drugs, debauch; secretive, emotional, seducible, mediumistic, escapist, perverted.

For all of the 1960s and the later portions of the 1950s we had the combination of Neptune in Scorpio and Pluto in Virgo. But for every single person reading this who was born before Neptune in Scorpio or after Neptune in Scorpio, please try to reflect on what our generation is going through, because I can be the first one to say that almost all of this is true.

We are escapist. We see things, very strongly. We deal with a lot of subconscious “stuff.” We have depression as sort of an existential quality. We are capable of being mediums. We definitely can keep secrets and are some of the most emotional people you’ll meet, and if our emotions are immature, or even if they aren’t, they can overpower us.

And if you are friends with a Scorpio Neptune, do you see and respond to the soul-sickness? Maybe you don’t. It might be in my interest to write more about that topic alone, because coping with it may be a full-time job in and of itself. I’ll endeavor to work on case studies of soul-sickness. (My grandmother, who was born in 1908 with her Neptune in Cancer, the last water sign, embodied the kind of soul-suffering that is specific to Neptune in Cancer. I saw that very clearly in the last weeks of her life, and notice some similarity. Soul-suffering or soul-sickness — either is difficult and pervasive).

Neptune in Sagittarius covers people that at the time of this writing are between 36 and 50 years of age. They have come of age. Per the Idiot’s Guide, Neptune in Sagittarius:
is open, honest, and idealistic, and astrologers put great store by the generations in this sign, the sign of higher learning, philosophy, and freedom. During its last transit here, we saw Watergate brought out in the open, and Jimmy Carter, an idealistic Washington outsider, elected President. Neptune’s last transit also was a period of universal travel, as millions of people began to see the world. New and mystical religions sprang up all over, and music and art were often spiritually oriented Personal fitness and outdoor sports also became popular. Neptune in Sagittiarius natives often feel a need for greater religious and philosophical values and may revise existing laws or ways of thinking to reflect that need. Neptune in Sagittarius is prophetically inspired.

I had a big “A-ha” moment in late 1998, the beginning of a period of emotional distress and mental illness, when I realized that the first of these people, barely younger than I was at the time, had attained early adulthood and were already making their influence known, even possibly to a greater degree than we did, at least in youth culture. It was enough for me to identify the sense of prophecy that our generation lacked but that I appreciated.

The Round Art has Neptune in Sagittarius, which correlates highly with Pluto in Libra, as follows:
presentiment, clairvoyance, travel, idealism, over-active mind, lack of discrimination, dreams, visions; mystical, prophetic, religious, literary, over-sensitive, vague, unrealistic.

Let’s celebrate the unique gifts of Neptune in Sagittarius. Or, maybe we already are.

Neptune in Capricorn is the last generation I’m going to feature, since it covers virtually all people we can consider ‘young adults.’ The Idiot’s Guide puts it as follows:
This has been a time that’s been recognized for its dissolving of worn-out governments and economic structures. The USSR dissolved, the Berlin Wall fell, an all around the world there are new countries forming or reforming after years of being swallowed up by others. Communism collapsed, and here in the U.S., we began facing the need for socialized medicine and other necessary reforms. Economic and political structures — society’s organizations — are associated with Capricorn. Neptune in Capricorn natives have a deep sense of responsibility and self-discipline, and great courage and purpose to achieve their goals. Neptune in Capricorn is constructively inspired.

The Round Art has it somewhat differently, though:
deep research, meditation, strange objectives, religious problems, family troubles, psychic experiences, scandal, notoriety; mysterious, crooked, deceptive, depressive, underhanded.

There are people born with Neptune in Leo and Virgo who are still alive; and the elders of the Neptune in Aquarius generation is starting to reach adulthood. I focus mainly on the generations who seem to be right “in the middle of it” — covering Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, and Capricorn — but there is worth in at least summarizing these three others. I’ll start with the Round Art.

Neptune in Leo:
enthusiasm, love of beauty, peculiar or clandestine pleasures, acting, scandal, self-glorification, gambling, seduction, theatre and opera; wasteful, theatrical, pretentious, lavish.
(Neptune is exalted in Leo).

Neptune in Virgo:
intuitive understanding, healing powers, hypochondria, chemistry, botany, planning, pathological sensitivity, seclusion, weak psyche; gentle, patient, discreet, deceitful, addictable.
(Neptune is in detriment in Virgo).

Neptune in Aquarius:
strange attractions, search for soul unions, dependent on others, noble aims, idealism, unfounded hopes, wild enthusiasm; helpless, drifting, deluded, insincere, easily swayed, fraudulent.
(Neptune is in fall in Aquarius).

I would like to express at this point that most of us have ‘dual characteristics’ in our charts, which is what I alluded to in the May 12 post about Pluto. We have Neptune in a generational sign, but we also have Neptune in a house, and, at least according to the Round Art (which I keep recommending that you have in your possession).

For me, Neptune is in Scorpio, but it’s also by birth in my 1st house, and by relocation, in my 2nd house. I did not post the Round Art definitions for Aries/1st house or Taurus/2nd house today. But you may easily have Neptune in Sagittarius but in the 6th house, so you can see the Neptune in Virgo and, at least from the Round Art’s philosophy, have those characteristics in your chart.

Is Uranus a generational planet? Well, it takes an average of seven years to go through a sign, so it is and it isn’t. I haven’t focused on Uranus in this way in quite a while, so it would be worthwhile to cover this in a future post.

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Joe Biden & Kamala Harris (redux, with newer David Cochrane videos)

This is going to be a repost of my article from August 18 that came out right after Joe Biden selected Kamala Harris as his running mate. But before posting it, I’m linking to David Cochrane videos about Biden and Harris — here and here.

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Most of my friends know that I am left-leaning. I’ve alluded to it here and there, so you, if you read this blog, may have figured it out as well. When it comes to voting in Democratic primaries, I sometimes vote for a moderate and I sometimes vote for the progressive. This is usually based on my perception of how far left one can get away with under the circumstances before the risks of losing are too high.

I live in Colorado, and in our senatorial race early this year I voted for, and promoted, the progressive, in part because I think Republican Cory Gardner is badly weakened, and in part because I particularly liked the progressive. (He didn’t win).

In the presidential primary I voted for Elizabeth Warren — our primary is on Super Tuesday and by that point she didn’t have a chance to win the primary, though she hadn’t dropped out yet. Had Pete Buttigieg still been in the race, I might have voted for him. I was deeply concerned with Bernie Sanders’ ability to win a general election and get us to take back the Senate — two VERY necessary things. Biden was the frontrunner going into Super Tuesday, and I voted my heart.

I am this way because I am deeply committed to social justice, economic justice, environmental justice, and, let’s say, kindness. (And I am not a science-denier). I supported Occupy Wall Street and I support a Universal Basic Income. I tend to be dissatisfied with the president for not being Lyndon Johnson, but I have often thought that Barack Obama is the most progressive president we’re going to get in this modern age. (Not sure if I think that now.)

Anyway, Joe Biden named his running mate and it’s Kamala Harris. And, astrologically, this is remarkable.

David Cochrane is likely to do a video of Biden and Harris’ compatibility as candidates, using methodologies that I was taught in his class and that are completely valid, but that I’m not considering here. When the video comes out, I’m going to watch it (and you should too), but I’m looking at something completely different.

Joe Biden was born on November 20, 1942. Kamala Harris was born on October 20, 1964. Their Sun signs are semi-sextile, and if they were born at the same time of the day, their suns are semi-sextile with about a 24 minute (0.4 degree) orb, which is pretty close. But let’s look at that again.

  • They were both born on the 20th.
  • They are both on cusps, according to The Secret Language of Relationships. Kamala is on the Libra-Scorpio cusp, and Joe is on the Scorpio-Sagittarius cusp. They are one cusp apart.
  • They also fall on the same side of the cusp. Kamala Harris is a Libra, and Joe Biden is a Scorpio.

Their birthdays on the 20th: adding the digits of the birthday, their birthdays add up to 2, which is ruled by the Moon. There are many books that delve into numerology, and birthdays ruled by 2 are impressionable and imaginative. They often make good co-workers and partners.

(Birthdays that add up to 1 tend to make good leaders, which makes it especially remarkable that John Edwards’ birthday adds up to 1, while John Kerry’s birthday adds up to 2. At the time (2004 campaign) I suggested that the ticket should be reversed.)

Additionally, Biden and Harris get the same Tarot card — The Judgment. I don’t know that much about tarot — I’ll put that on my bucket list of skills — but according to the Secret Language of Birthdays (Gary Goldschneider and Joost Elffers):

“… in which we are urged to leave material considerations behind and seek a higher spirituality… the card, depicting an angel blowing a trumpet, signifies that a new day, a day of accountability, is dawning. It is a card that challenges us to move beyond our ego and perhaps glimpse the infinite. The danger is that some may hear only a fanfare heralding exaltation, intoxication and indulgence in revels involving the basest instincts.”

I tend to think that we’re not going to have to worry about that last part.

Moving on, birthdays on cusps tend to have more powerful characteristics than those without, tending to have mixed influence of two completely different yet adjacent signs. It’s probably fortunate that both Biden and Harris fall on the same side of the line, and by about two days, but there is still some mixture of two signs in both of them.

Finally, Harris and Biden are adjacent signs, one sign apart. This can prove to be a very dynamic pairing. Linda Goodman many years ago described this very well. The later sign (Biden as a Scorpio) tends to have lessons for the earlier sign (Harris as a Libra) to learn. This would be true for me, as a Sagittarius, with a Capricorn (who I have been in relationships with).

The later sign is patient with the earlier sign as the earlier sign learns the lessons. Kamala Harris strikes me as independent and is highly accomplished, so it’s quite unclear how this could play out; we’ll have to wait for the biographies and the political diaries 4-10 years from now. Historians will have a lot of work to do.

Here’s Joe Biden’s and Kamala Harris’s charts.

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Chiron & houses 7-12 (with some announcements)

First, the announcements. The Vibrational Astrology program I’m in (that David & Fei Cochrane teach) will be entering its final weekend — we will graduate on September 27. Once that happens, I’ll be offering my services in relocation astrology and other reports on this website. Wish us students luck as the weekend has 20 hours of instruction in Ethics & Counseling.

I don’t really consider myself a vibrational astrologer, although this part of astrology is incredibly insightful from all the decades of research David Cochrane has done. I am certainly better for having taken the course, and the parts I want to use are worth using in my practice.

Because we’ll be in class all day Friday, Friday’s post is likely to be a repost of something important that’s earlier in the blog.

Secondly, I am nursing a broken toe. The injury happened last Wednesday night (the 16th); I haven’t exercised for six days and was told by orthopedics today not to exercise for at least another week. This affects a lot of things, including the quality of my writing. It means that today’s post is just going to cover Chiron in Houses 7-12, per Parker’s Astrology (Julia & Derek Parker).

Chiron in the 7th House:
This placing indicates a tendency to merge with the partner and lose one’s individuality. The Chironic energy encourages the individual to become committed prematurely. Many unrewarding and heart-breaking relationships are formed and ended. The lessons are obvious — to learn from past experiences. That seems simple, but it is extremely difficult, especially if the indvidual sees the partner merely as an extension of him- or herself. This represents an extreme form of selfishness, since the individual is aiming to prevent the partner from being an individual in his or her own right. Melanie Reinhart says that this group will tend to attract “lame ducks” — people who are less self-reliant than most and over whom the partner can exert power more easily.

Chiron in the 8th house:
This potent placing for Chiron will encourage the individual to be obsessed with sex, material progress and power. Here is a daring “go-the-whole-hog” type, who will let nothing stand in the way of personal desires. Many such individuals are extremely secretive. Sometimes the influence causes the individual to become cringing and humble, but at the same time extremely self-seeking.
Often there is psychic ability. When it is carefully trained, this can become a wonderful asset, and when the individual has tamed his or her desires and controlled the Chironic energy, we have someone who is a force to be reckoned with — in the best possible way.

Chiron in the 9th house:
Here Chiron’s energy can become too intense in its quest for knowledge and spirituality so that nervous tensions and stress will come between the absorption of what is being learned and its expression to help or teach others. Extreme opinions have to be modified to achieve that necessary balance if the individual is going to live up to the very best influence of the Centaur-teacher. The mind and body will undertake immense and daunting mental and physical journeys, because the daring element in the Chiron influence is heightened. There are often religious conflicts — especially between parent and child. A tendency to be in awe of religion or to shrug it off completely is also likely.

Chiron in the 10th house:
This fascinating placing of Chiron is further enhanced if the planet is in conjunction with the Midheaven. Here the influence will encourage the individual constantly to look to the future and to be original, but (with Saturn at its tail) to be constantly reminded not to upset the status quo, and always to do what is right and proper. A tendency to bring along other less successful people in the hope of improving their “lot” is something to be discouraged, since disappointment and feelings of being let down can cause resentment and bitterness. There is a liking for power and a good sense of leadership, which needs controlling and positive exploitation through practical but imaginative and humanitarian projects.

Chiron in the 11th house:
Physical, emotional and mental space are all essential for the individual to express original thoughts, ideas and theories. These thoughts need to have a sound structure, and must not be allowed to become shapeless or drift into “lala land”. Since the Uranus emphasis here is very strong, it is important not to lose sight of the weightier Saturn influence, in order to give solidity. The individual has to learn to cope with criticism and controversy; otherwise, a great deal that is beneficial both personally and for the good of humanity is lost. Many are capable of becoming leaders, since their beliefs and idealism have a magnetic appeal, often to the masses. The placing adds dynamic charm and friendliness.

Chiron in the 12th house:
This is a tricky placing for Chiron, since there is a tendency for the individual to succumb to periods of frustration and feelings of inferiority, which are difficult to understand. It is imperative that falling back on escapist measures when the emotions are upset is controlled and countered; otherwise, they will become a serious problem. But the Chiron energy here is to enhance the imagination, and all encouragement should be given for it to be used creatively or through a careful study of the occult or such disciplines as the Tarot, I Ching or palm reading. The individual will benefit only if these talents are well taught by experienced teachers, and not exploited in any haphazard or spooky way.

These house placements are all from Parker’s Astrology (Julia & Derek Parker).

Remember that if you move a significant distance, especially East or West, your planets may change houses. Remember that you never completely lose the birth chart, but your new positioning of a planet in a new house or with new aspects to the Ascendant or Midheaven adds overtones to your chart.

And, of course, if you are considering a location, visit it first for a significant period of time — at least a week — to try to ascertain how it’s affecting you irrespective of what I or any other relocation astrologer says to you. What I say to you in a consultation may be corroborated or not. (My experience has said that things are generally corroborated about 80%, but your mileage can and will vary.)

And that all being said, I sense that Chiron is a harder planet to pin down during a visit. Its influences may take a longer period of time than other planets to be fully understood.